What Do We Feed Our Tiels?
What we feed our birds is a difficult question to get an exact answer for. Here are some suggestions from Tiel Chat members on what they feed their birds.
Lillian says:
What do I feed my birds? You really want to know, lol? I mix
about 50-50
pellets and bird seed, and each pair gets about 1/3 cup of this
every
day. I make a cooked mixture of several types of pastas,
spaghetti,
linguini, etc; different types of dry beans, navy, pinto,
kidney, etc;
rice cooked with crunched up cinnamon sticks; split peas,
lentils,
barley, dried hot peppers. This of course makes quite a large
batch, so
I divide it up and freeze it. I chop up hard boiled eggs, and
give them
a bit of that almost every day. About once a week I stir a
little
vitamin in with their egg, and twice a week I sprinkle a mixture
of
digestive enzyme, BeneBac, and Brewers yeast over their soft
food. (I
keep this in a salt shaker) Every day they get a mixture of
thawed
frozen peas, corn, and lima beans. They also get 1/2-1/3 spray
of
millet, and a small piece of brown bread. I grate carrots and
give them
that daily. Also, every day they get 2-3 other kinds of fresh
fruit or
veggies; apple, orange, green beans, broccoli, corn on the cob,
some
type of green like parsley, kale, endive, etc. Needless to say,
they
don't "clean up their plates", lol, but they do eat a varied
diet and
are pretty healthy.
Popcorn won't hurt them, as long as it isn't salted or buttered.
I
almost forgot, for treats I also give them unsweetened cereal
like chex,
cheerios, puffed wheat, etc., and nutriberries, avicakes, etc.
Mary & Chris respond to Lillian: Your menu sounds Wonderful and you are much more
ambitious
than Chris' momma... We do have sweet potato every few days and
pasta
and rice and white potatos (his fav) Daily spring salad...organic and now Chris also gets a lot of L*M Gold seed mix for tiels
daily and
Lafeber pellets for tiels as well as Hagen's tropican *no
preservatives.. He eats all three meals with Mom and I too.. He
gets the
frozen veggies about 4 days a week plus if I go to the salad bar
at the
store I get him a couple pieces of broccoli and cauliflower.. It
just
isn't possible to buy the veggies in bunches cause I end up
throwing them
out cause Mom and I don't eat much.. freezing is useless to me
cause I
might as well buy frozen. He just recently started eating the
sunflower
seeds in his mix and since then he has gone from 86 gm to 90gm..
and
looks better.. tho he always looked healthy...
Gail adds her comments:
Wow Lillian,
You have much more ambition than I do also LOL
Here's what I feed mine..
They always have 2 cups containing seed (tiel, keet mix) and one cup containing about 3/4 scoop of pellets in their cage (both Kaytee brand).
In the morning I give them either fresh carrots, broc., & parsley or frozen/thawed peas, carrots, green beans, corn & lima beans (most days I'm lazy & they get the frozen stuff). I put either a small amount of pellets on the side or a piece of birdie bread. About once ever 2 weeks I give them some egg too.
In the afternoon I give them a 1/2 spray of millet and some Sun Seed dehydrated fruit.
I also give them some pasta & turkey etc. whenever we are having it for dinner which usually amounts to about once every 3 weeks or so.
I am thinking of switching from the Kaytee Exact pellets to Harrisons due to the 'all natural stuff' and the Spiralina.
Any comments on their diet are welcome!
Here is what Linda does:
In the morning I give them a bean and pasta mix
along with the seed and pellet that are always in there. Around noonish I
give them 1 millet spray per 4 birds. At dinner time I give them fresh
veggies or steamed frozen veggies. Also on the evening when we are having a
snack I give them some cheerios or rice krispis small amount or
broccoli(they love broccoli ) and maybe once a week some popcorn(unsalted ad
no butter) Once a week I also give them a kaytee vitamin, mineral stick.
There treats really vary though. Sometimes instead of popcorn they get wheat
toast with a little peanut butter. Also a couple times a week I give them
birdie cornbread. So really a variety of alot of things
This is what Betty is cooking up tonight: The diet plan I use with my birds is very simple and I find it works well for me. Basically it consists of one bowl of seed and one bowl of pellets per every four birds. The bowl holds approximately 1/2 to 3/4 cup.I usually feed 1/3 cup pellets and 1/2 cup seed per four birds. The seeds are blown out daily and depending on amount eaten I refill accordingly.
I alternate days of using a sprinkle of spirulina, wheat grass, lactobacillius, and brewers yeast. For example the first day sprinkle with spirulina, skip second day, third day use brewers yeast, skip fourth day, fifth day use wheat grass, skip sixth day and then use lactobacillius on the seventh day. I have found that these products add color and essentially is the replacement for adding vitamins to their diet. I will only buy my spirulina from Earthrise and their website is www.greensuperfood.com. I also am going to start ordering my wheat grass from them.
Along with the seed and pellet diet they get fresh veggies once or twice a week which consists of Romaine Lettuce, Collards, Mustard Greens, Red Leaf Lettuce, parsley, and cilantro depending what I find or have on hand. They get Cockatiel Cornbread about two or three times a week. I have corn, brocolli or peas added to the cornbread along with some brown rice. On days that they don't receive the above items I give them either Cherrios, Grape-Nuts, Corn Flakes, and finely crushed Monkey Biscuit in a small bowl to nibble on.
Paulie and Topper receive a treat dish of Nutriberries: Veggie or Spicy and some Avi-Cake daily. The outside birds get this treat a couple of times a week.
I feed them millet approximately three times a week.
I also provide them with a mineral block and for the hens if laying I will add a cuttlebone.
At one time I added GSE to the water but since reading an article from Dr. Alicia McWatters I have quit using it except for cleaning the floor on the patio and difficult cages. It is also great for cleaning ceramic floor where the dogs have had an accident. Here is her Link: http://www.parrothouse.com/gse.html
Here are some links from my Webpage for recipes....
http://www.birdsnways.com/birds/recipes.htm
http://www.acstiels.com/recipes.html
http://www.rarrgh.com/beakappitweet/welcome.html
http://www.theaviary.com/recipes.shtml
We all want to know what Susanne feeds her 400+ cockatiels: I am a small commercial breeder. My income depends on healthy,
happy
cockatiels and babies. I've gone full circle on the diets.
I've started
with
seed, then went to the vitamin fortified seed, then to the
pellets, from
there doing the cooking and veggies and back to seed.
Through *elimination* of all I've given over the past 5+
years, I'm full
circle to 95% of my diet consisting of seed. The remainder is
a small
piece
of wheat bread daily, local fresh vegetation (different items
several
times
a week), and monkey biscuit 1-2 times a week. My observations
are of 400+
cockatiels, which many are 2nd to 5th generation on my
property.
Someone brought up an interesting point as to possible
pesticides and
preservative in seed. This is something I am pursuing in
regards to 2
local
suppliers. How a supplier 'stores' seed makes a difference.
Many *treat*
(and do not disclose what is used) seed so that is physically
appealing (
bug free. etc.) to the end consumer.
Local humidity makes a difference. Nutritional value at the
tail-end of a
season is also dependent on how the seed was stored. If in
silo's,
excessive
heat build-up reduces nutrient content. This also applies to
the grains
used
for pellets. If someone would do a survey of the time of year
when sudden
deaths from diet are the highest, it would be from Aug- late
October. Or,
secondary problems, during this time period, which would be
aflatoxins and
aspirgillius, from end of season storage practices.
The *mix* of seed per species makes a difference. Many mixes
have
'fillers'
>(excess oat groat, buckwheat, etc.) that the birds rarely eat,
thus a
contributor to support the malnutrition theory. Sunflower
seeds vary in
nutritional value, such as black oil versus striped, yet the
reports on
fat
are of the black oil variety's.
Varying nutritional needs during season changes need to be
addressed, such
as more fat...less fat, etc. Overfeeding, and allowing a bird
to 'cherry
pick' also contributes to obesity, and/or malnutrition.
Cockatiels WILL have fatty liver problems regardless of the
diet. This
species is physically designed for lots of excersise, which
sadly in a pet
situation is lacking. Caging for type of species makes a
difference. When
the newness wears of the bird spends 95% of it's life sitting
in a cage. I
believe exposure to sunlight and fresh air make a difference.
Lack of
socializing with other birds in a flock situation makes a
difference. Supplementing and water treatments make a difference...or lack
of, such as
distilled water usage, which is void of minerals.
As far as I'm concerned **the whole picture** has to be
addressed, rather
than attacking a certain diet. And as far as I can tell, the
statistics do
not cover or mention these variables. As to myself, I have
learned that
cockatiels will cherry pick. Early on I asked a vet what is
the amount
this
species will eat in a day. I was told a cockatiel will consume
about 1 oz. per day, slightly more if it is a large active bird. I started
*measuring* my seed, using a 3 oz. paper bathroom dixie cup. Each pair
gets 1 cup (3
oz.) per day of seed.
The only time my birds are caged is when they are set-up for
breeding. The
remainder of the time they are in intermediate holding
(resting pairs, 2-3
wks) cages or large walk-in flights. If there is 50 birds in a
flight, I
measure out 25 cups of seed. In a 24 hour period of time, when
I change
feed
again, there is still a small remainder of seed I am throwing
out.
When there are babies hatching and in the nest, I daily
measure and adjust
the amount given per pair. Doing this is also my first alert
to a problem.
I
know exactly have much each cage/flight consumes in a day. If
I see that
there is a drop in seed consumption (early morning check), I
am alerted to
a
possible problem.
Two things that have NEVER shown up in necropsy reports is
fatty liver or
malnutrition. I vary my mix per seasons. I use 4 different
mixes:
Cockatiel,
parakeet, finch and canary. During the winter I use
predominately keet
food
and cut in striped sunflower seed, more as the weather gets
colder. Every
few weeks I will also cut in small amounts of finch and
canary.
During the spring I will add more canary seed. During the
summer, again I
use mainly parakeet seed, and reduce the striped sunflower.
When we go
thru
our rainy periods I add more of the finch and canary (smaller
seeds), and
increase the amounts of grass and local vegetation.
Early on I was doing the cooking, veggies, and eggfoods. I was
also having
alot of yeast and bacterial problems. Each time I eliminated
(first the
cooked foods) an item the problems lessened. Totally
eliminating all of
these items also eliminated 98% of my yeast and bacterial
problems!! Thus,
I
also started getting larger, healthier babies from the seed
diet. I
have 2 groups I can use for comparison. 300+ birds are
outside, and the
remaining 100 birds are inside. Both groups have access to
free flight,
and
the outdoors. The inside birds have a window pass-thru to the
outside from
their flight room. Both groups get measured seed, daily bread,
varied and
rotated amounts of grass and local vegetation.
The inside birds are mainly pets and I'll still give them
cooked stuff,
like
butternut squash, or raw corn on the cob, corn muffins, etc.
The inside
birds that get the additional items to eat have more problems
with yeast,
bacteria, and smaller babies. The measured diet has not
effected the size
and thriftiness, and most of all health of the cockatiels.
Each generation has shown an increase in size and prolificness.
In comparison to all other local breeders (of cockatiels) I
have less
health
related problems, and I am 4-5 times larger than my
competitors. Would I
call my diet, and abusive diet?.No! Are my birds abused? No
they are
physically and physiologically well maintained. I feel I have
adequately
addressed their needs and a lot of the variables I listed in
the beginning
of this letter.
I am very content with what I am doing, and I have a large
enough group of birds to *visually* see the overall results.
Addendum: a few months later, I believe a lot of the flowers
are rich in
bioflavinoids (sp) some vitamin A and rich in vitamin C.
Colors of the
flowers also have different nutrient content. I had a site
that did have a
breakdown of the nutrient value in wild plants, flowers and
roots...but it
is somewhere *among the missing* on the long list of links I
have saved.
If
I find it I will post it.
From personal experiences I have seen flowers help birds
overcome past
histories of chronic respiratory problems. Since my cockatiels
are feed a
seed diet, I have been trying to supply all other sources of
nutrients,
vitamins, minerals in the form of natural grasses, plants,
flowers,
leaves,
barks, etc. Over the last 2 years I have seen a dramatic
improvement with
my
flock and the babies in the nest.
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